Episodio 1: El problema de ser inclusivo

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00:01:36 - Today we have a very, very interesting episode in which we are going to talk about topics, maybe a little bit of a delicacy, to be honest, but it should be noted that they are opinions, they are the opinions of all the participants of this episode of the podcast.

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in which we see the world, the things that we believe and think of, we are not here to offend anyone, but to give visibility to all the things that we believe can be so good and so bad, so that we do not continue to be Kurdish or simply guide us from what others tell us. We are going to talk a little about the LGBT community, but more important about the inclusion forced by transgender people in sports, where they compete with other types of people who are not of the same gender and for those who have little advantage. But before that, I'm going to introduce you to our two participants today. First is Alex Garcia, how are you Alex?

00:02:41 - Very good, thank you very much.

00:02:44 - Well, you could have reached our space so that our audio listeners could hear a little bit of your thoughts.

00:02:52 - And we also have our other colleague from today, Eros Hernández. How are you?

00:02:59 - Good evening, thank you very much for this space, for these moments talking. Thank you.

00:03:05 - Thank you for giving you the time to be with us in this mission.

00:03:08 - And well, as I was telling you, today's episode is quite interesting.

00:03:12 - So let's start with him.

00:03:14 - Throughout our lives, I don't know if you've ever experienced Alex, Eros.

00:03:20 - We've had contact with different people who are part of the LGBT group.

00:03:27 - A group that is formed by gay, lesbian, transsexuals and bisexuals.

00:03:33 - When I was a little boy, it was not so much the visibility that this kind of things were given to us.

00:03:40 - When our parents were little, it was even smaller.

00:03:42 - When our grandparents were little, they weren't even named because it was an offense, right?

00:03:48 - But it's nice that with the passing of the years, with the passing of time, people were opening up their minds a little more and leaving all the accepted people as they want because they are in their right.

00:03:57 - It is their life, their decisions, their consequences, right?

for good or for bad, is what they want and is what makes them happy.

00:04:04 - I believe that we are in this life more than anything to find our own happiness.

00:04:12 - When I was a child, I think I was in primary school, primary school, if I remember correctly.

00:04:21 - I had a partner who was curious, always with girls, he was quite feminine.

00:04:28 - I didn't have anything to do with the profile of men that I knew since I was a little boy.

00:04:35 - I didn't play football, I didn't wear a shirt, it was quite different.

00:04:40 - When I was 6 or 7 years old, I asked myself, why is it like that?

00:04:48 - What's special about it? Why is it so different from me?

00:04:51 - Why aren't we the same? Why won't we play with the other kids?

00:04:55 - Why do we stay with the girls?

00:04:57 - And with the passing of the years, I accepted it, I said, well, this is the way it is, but I didn't know why and I was still getting intrigued.

00:05:07 - But with the passing of the years, with all this surge that people would open up and cross the street openly,

00:05:14 - I could understand it even as a secondary second, which was because of the reggae and because I had admitted it at the time that it was homo-sensual,

00:05:23 - What did you like about the boys?

00:05:26 - It was something that surprised me, but it didn't surprise me for some reason.

00:05:30 - It was unconsciously implicit in your personality.

00:05:36 - And it's something that he was born with.

00:05:38 - And I think it was nice that someone could express themselves freely with the others without anyone being able to join him.

00:05:46 - I don't know if you have any similar anecdotes, Alex?

00:05:53 - Well, I can say that, unlike you, it wasn't weird to see people of this type.

00:05:59 - Since I was little, practically since I was born, I was surrounded by people like that.

00:06:06 - I mean, transgender people, since my parents were well-known, who were like that.

00:06:12 - So, I never had curiosity about why those people were like that.

00:06:18 - I simply had already lived in a place where I had already done it in fact, that is, for me it was not strange and my parents treated it as normal people, because as you mentioned it, there are people who get bored in that type of people that, yes, that is, different people.

00:06:42 - Excuse me, did you say something?

00:06:45 - No, no, no, keep going.

00:06:48 - Yes, I told you, so for me it has been very normal to live with these people.

00:06:54 - More than anything I mean transgender, transgender people.

00:06:58 - So for me it is strange to see people like that.

00:07:01 - I mean, you commented that you were curious to see people who behaved differently

00:07:07 - Well, the people you had already used around you, like that?

00:07:12 - Yes, the standards of personality that I had already associated with my mom, with my dad or with my brothers.

00:07:18 - That's what made me weird.

00:07:19 - That, that.

00:07:20 - So for me it wasn't weird, for me it was very normal, the length of my life.

00:07:25 - Yes, well, that's what you say.

00:07:29 - The context in which people grow up is quite different.

de diferente. Yo siendo de una localidad un poco pegueña, su mentalidad era todavía más herrada que podría haber llegado a ser en una ciudad. Entonces supongo que tal vez eso tuvo que influir mucho en mi percepción de las cosas. Yo considero que influye mucho en tu lugar de origen. Tone un asisto así. Que tan mal o bien lo ven ese tema de personas que son diferentes por así decirlos a nosotros. Sí, yo creo que eso tiene que ver mucho. Como te comenté,

00:08:02 - I grew up where there were several people like that and then for me it was very normal to grow with good to see that kind of situations of people who were transgender then for me it was very normal yes yes yes you understand you understand how it was in your context since childhood you grew up

00:08:28 - You already know those types of people who express themselves in a different way.

00:08:34 - Yes, it makes sense.

00:08:36 - And from your part, Eros, do you have something to share with us?

00:08:40 - Yes, well, I agree with my colleague Alex.

00:08:44 - My education was also very focused on that.

00:08:48 - My parents were always like, you respect and everything is fine.

00:08:52 - And yes, I was always educated.

00:08:54 - Yes, in the first place, I had some other homosexual friends.

00:09:00 - I had a better homosexual friend.

00:09:03 - I never saw it differently, I never noticed it differently.

00:09:06 - I always respected it.

00:09:08 - So, as they say, I think it includes a lot of your...

00:09:13 - Well, the one where you come from and your education.

00:09:17 - So, yes, I've done that a lot and I always respected it.

00:09:21 - So, that's it.

00:09:24 - Yes, as you said, there has to be a lot of parents' education.

00:09:32 - I mentioned that you had a partner in primary school.

00:09:37 - I don't know if you could give us some anecdotes or an example of something that happened to you with them.

00:09:42 - Like I told you, I saw that you were more together with girls or that you didn't get along with us.

00:09:48 - It was quite nice to be with him.

00:09:50 - It was a very funny person. I don't know if you have any good memories with him that you could share with us?

00:09:56 - Well, some good memories with him, I would lie to you if I do have them, but I do remember that he was someone very respectable, very friendly, someone with a lot of confidence.

00:10:06 - I think we were in the 5th and 6th of April together.

00:10:10 - I remember very well that his father was a typical Mexican machista, but I'm curious because he is like a person who is in his beliefs with someone who is very different from him.

00:10:29 - So that always gave me a lot of curiosity.

00:10:33 - But no, no. I think that's just a reminder that he was very friendly, very hospitable, and he was always a very good person.

00:10:43 - Yes, it's quite interesting what you're saying at this moment, right?

00:10:48 - You're talking about how you have such a conservative father, such a conservative family, and you get to have a son with this type of different expressions that you're not used to, right?

00:11:00 - Maybe the world falls at some point to their parents.

00:11:04 - But I also understand that there are many parents who are able to accept and understand their children, because they are parents, right?

00:11:13 - I don't know if it's an obligation, but I don't think there is a father who doesn't love his children, whatever it is.

00:11:21 - So I suppose it was something decided to change their mentality, to be a more comprehensive person.

00:11:27 - It's something pretty nice that our society already has, as I mentioned before, changed its beliefs, that people express themselves better, that they have more freedom, and that everyone can get to respect them more than they did about 10, 20, 30 years ago, where they weren't so respectful.

00:11:45 - Well, and going deeper into the topic that competes with us today, inclusion is perfect.

00:11:53 - We have seen that there have been polemics, yes, there are polemics in some kind of series, movies about the inclusion of LGBT people in what some people think is good, some people think it's bad, but there is also inclusion in sports, and that is the issue that we are going to focus on today. Why? Because there may be occasions in which this inclusion, it gives them the advantage to these new competitors on their competencies, because it is not designed for this type of transgender people who can compete against people who are not equal to them. So if you have something to share, do not get close to this, Alex.

00:12:37 - Well, in my opinion about this, I can tell you that it seems to me that it is not ethical to do that kind of sports where men begin to be transgenerated.

00:12:58 - Because as you mentioned, they have a great physical advantage over women.

00:13:03 - So it's a very unfair thing, and it's not going to be good, right?

00:13:16 - Yes, you think it's not something rational, right?

00:13:18 - The one that they put to compete with someone with so much difference in their physical abilities?

00:13:22 - Well, in a physical sport?

00:13:24 - Yes, exactly. It's just something very unfair.

00:13:29 - If it makes sense, there is an example of a trans swimmer, who, if I remember, his name was Lia Tomas, if I'm not mistaken, who was a man swimmer, who didn't win anything in his category.

00:13:50 - But he changed in general, and therefore changed his place of competition and went to compete with women.

00:13:57 - Giora is a gold medal winner. She breaks records, which is quite strange, isn't it?

00:14:04 - She allows this type of people to simply change gender, and because she changed gender, she can compete with other girls.

00:14:11 - It's not that we don't say that they compete, but that they compete against men.

00:14:16 - Because she is essentially a man. Biologically she is still a man. Why?

00:14:20 - Because she is taller than them. She is stronger than them.

her ability, her resistance is superior.

00:14:27 - Because as a man, the evolution of the human being has always been led more than anything, that a thousand years ago, thousands of years ago, the men who came out to hunt.

00:14:36 - Therefore, the abilities that were developed to them were the sight, the strength, the agility, the speed.

00:14:43 - And therefore, the women who had to take care, stayed in the place to take care if they developed another type of abilities.

00:14:50 - For example, they were very good, if not with their ears.

00:14:54 - They were excellent at perceiving dangers.

00:14:57 - They were also very intelligent, they could use many tools.

00:15:01 - I don't know, Eros, do you have any opinion about this topic?

00:15:05 - Anything you would like to share, any experience or information you have?

00:15:10 - Well, I share my opinion in that case.

00:15:14 - Yes, I think it's not bad at all, because it's very soon to say that, but it does have a lot of controversy that men with women, transsexuals, because biologically men get stronger,

00:15:32 - But personally, I feel that not everything is like negativity.

00:15:38 - There is also the inclusive effort with people with disabilities and with an intellectual disability.

00:15:46 - So I think that is very good, that in sports they start to practice those types of adapted sports so that all people have the same opportunities to play, play, have fun and test yourself with your skills, I think.

00:16:02 - Ok, if it makes sense, the fact that now people with disabilities, well, that it's not from now, but that they have more time now, they can compete in a way, among themselves, that doesn't make them difficult, because the sport, as you say, is adapted to those capacities, it doesn't require them more than what they can do, that they can enjoy.

00:16:24 - I think it's beautiful, also with the people who have a kind of disability, sometimes they are the smartest people in the world.

00:16:31 - The most comprehensive, the most amorous, it causes me a lot of curiosity, intrigue, amazement, that these types of people can develop these types of magnificent abilities and even so, people don't understand how valuable and important they are.

00:16:47 - Even the intelligent people who can do it and express it,

00:16:52 - They deserve something stupid and stupid.

00:16:55 - They have their vision so limited to say that they're sick already, that it's not completely the opposite.

00:17:02 - It's the same for you and me.

00:17:04 - I've even seen cases of kids with Down syndrome who have their cooking programs and the kids are smiling all the time.

00:17:12 - They're playing among themselves.

00:17:14 - It's obvious that they enjoy their lives.

00:17:16 - They're quite scary.

00:17:17 - Although their care is quite complicated,

00:17:19 - You have to admit that, but I think it's not a sacrifice that society has to do a lot to make them understand it a little.

00:17:30 - Although, in these cases, inclusion is something pretty, pretty nice.

00:17:35 - But going back to our topic, the other one about where the inclusion of men is not so well done, for example in sports.

00:17:45 - I don't remember, I think it was in a prison in Argentina, if I'm not mistaken, where a king changed his gender and made them transfer it to the women's prison.

00:17:59 - So there he raped several of his colleagues, they were left hugged, and the judges felt they did a bad job there, the authorities did a bad job there because not a bad job there because they could have avoided that, because having precedents of the rapist, they let him go to the women's prison, we are still knowing that his, as we were saying earlier, his physical capacity is superior, he is much better than the of a woman, so putting the companion to a girl, yes, I think they went a bit, I do not know if you have any comments about this, Alex? Well, yes, indeed, I agree with you,

00:18:36 - I think that the authorities had a null critical decision about the change of pressure on that person, which already had precedents, abuses.

00:18:49 - And yes, I mean, for me it was a great lack of incompetence due to lack of authorities.

00:18:56 - Yes, in fact, you are right, the ones who have not been able to analyze the possible results of the situation are also doing something quite irresponsible on their part.

00:19:05 - And I don't know, Eros, to conclude this episode, because unfortunately time is running out, I don't know if you have any last opinion to share with us.

00:19:17 - Here, in my humble opinion, I think it's a very controversial topic. I don't think you can please all the people with this or with the other.

00:19:30 - For me personally, I can tell you that it's fine.

00:19:33 - At the point of people with disabilities and so on.

00:19:36 - In these problems, I think it's more like attention to these little details where maybe people take advantage of these reasons.

00:19:47 - So yes, I think it's a matter of controversy.

00:19:49 - I don't think there's a point of if it's fine, it's wrong.

00:19:52 - I think each one is like

00:19:55 - And that's it.

00:20:02 - Yes, well, you have a good conclusion.

00:20:07 - We can't say if something is good or bad.

00:20:09 - There are people who will always try to take advantage of the situation of society.

00:20:13 - Unfortunately, there are always people who only seek for their own benefit without using the consequences of the possible people who are hurt.

00:20:21 - So, in my part, I think it's okay to try to include all this to the people, but I feel that it's not the best way, but we are doing it.

00:20:33 - The way in which they try to give visibility to this type of people, that they feel they are identified in a different way from when they were born, they should think of a better way, not just passing them to competencies or places that don't correspond to them.

00:20:50 - And well, thank you very much to all of you who have listened to us during this mission.

00:20:55 - We hope you liked it.

00:20:56 - That could be interesting, you could have taken your own conclusion, which is the most important of all.

00:21:00 - Remember, these are just our opinions and the most important thing is that you take your own and we are not for the sake of this society.

00:21:06 - Very well, see you in the next episode.

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